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- Note the following thread resulted from a statement in a file in DL10 of
- ISSUES Forum entitled "LEAR.TXT." The statement reads as follows:
-
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- "Note: Cows and Humans are genetically similar. In the event of a national
- disaster, cow's blood can be used by humans."
-
- The thread ensued. It should be noted that the thread crosses two Sigs.
- The first SIg is on the ISSUES Forum (Paranormal Subtopic) while other parts
- were obtained through the GOODHEALTH Forum. I will try to make notations
- when change from one Forum to another.
-
- Try to keep an open mind.
-
- *%*% ISSUES *%*%
-
- #: 132944 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 28-Jan-88 22:35:50
- Sb: #132941-UFO PHENOMENA
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777 (X)
-
- Regarding the cows blood that statement came from 2 university studies. I
- will get you the names by tomorrow. I questioned that statement myself as a
- doctor I know said that what they probably meant was that a fraction of the
-
- blood could be used. But on further checking I found out that it can be
- used whole. I have the names somewhere so let me work on it. Talk to you
- later.
-
- *** Reading Replies to 132941
-
- #: 133012 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 29-Jan-88 18:10:21
- Sb: Cows Blood
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Ted Markley
-
- Ted- in 1986 it was reported by Texas Tech University that cow blood can be
- used in an emergency blood transfusion with humans because the hemoglobin so
- closely matches human blood. In February of 1984 Dr. James Womack of Texas
- A&M University stated that big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to
- large sections of human chromosomes, meaning that cow genes and human genes
- fall in the same exact sequence on some chromosomes. Regards, John
-
-
- *%*%We now switch over to the GOODHEATH Sig *%*%
-
-
- #: 55150 S4/Health Questions
- 27-Jan-88 20:51:13
- Sb: #A strange question
- Fm: Ted 76067,3777
- To: All
-
- I have a question and I know there will be a lot of people out there who will
- chuckle. I did at first and then thought "Well, I have been surprised by a
- lot stranger statements that this." Well here goes... <Pausing to get up the
- nerve>. I read on another Sig Bulletin board that "in the event of a natural
- national disaster cow's blood could be used in some cases as a substitute for
- human blood..." There I said it! I don't believe it but I thought I best
- check it out with a professional MD before exposing the quack. Can any of
- you professionals give me a statement I can quote on line?
- Thanks.
- Ted
-
- 1 Reply
-
- #: 55174 S4/Health Questions
- 28-Jan-88 09:57:48
- Sb: #55150-#A strange question
- Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
- To: Ted 76067,3777 (X)
-
- Ted,
-
- Welcome to the Health Forum!
-
- Believe me I have heard stranger questions. I don't think there is any
- compatablility between cow blood and human blood....in short if you gave a
- person some cow's blood they would probably go into irreversible shock and
- die. I don't even think cows have the same blood type as people.
-
- So tell us, where did you hear this amazing tale?
-
- June
-
- #: 55228 S1/General Discussion
- 28-Jan-88 18:18:06
- Sb: #A strange question
- Fm: Ted 76067,3777
- To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217 (X)
-
- I am doing some research to refute an article in the DL10 library of the
- ISSUES sig. The file is Lear.txt and is making some pretty wild claims about
- UFO's and some of the recent cattle mutilations. Your comments will be of
- help. Why don't you drop by (The Lear is a alleged member of the Lear of
- Lear Jet fame.)
-
-
-
- *%*% And back to the ISSUES (sub PARANORMAL section) *%*%
-
- #: 133135 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 31-Jan-88 09:59:01
- Sb: #133012-Cows Blood
- Fm: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
- To: John LEar 71251,642
-
- John...
- I droped over to the HEALTH Sig and asked if any of the MD's there
- had ever learned that "cows blood could be used in an emergency."
- I got only one reply and they said that they expected that if cows
- blood were introducted into a human that it would cause the recipient
- to go into shock and die. I suppose that if these finding are as new as you
- claim (1986) that with the rapid pace of new medical paper publishing
- this individula has no yet gotten the word. Do you perhaps have the name
- of the paper and the person publishing it (and the DATE) from
- Teax Tech U. (what city is Texas Tech located in)?
- This would enable me to give them a call and get a copy of the paper.
- I an afraid that Dr Womack's Feb 84 paper a Texas AM won't do. Just because
- "big chunks of cattle chromosomes are identical to large
- sections of human chromosomes"doesn't mean that they are
- compatible.
- Regards, Ted
-
- #: 133152 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 31-Jan-88 13:09:25
- Sb: #133135-Cows Blood
- Fm: Alex Krislov 76703,243
- To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
-
- Actually, our DNA differs no more than 2% from that of some apes.
-
- #: 133153 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 31-Jan-88 14:07:38
- Sb: #133135-Cows Blood
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Ted Markley <s10> 76067,3777
-
- Sorry, Dr. Womacks statement was in the paragraph discussing the whole
- connection of the mutilations with the Dulce facility etc. etc. Will work on
- getting you the info on Texas Tech on monday. The doctors I talked to were as
- uninformed as the ones you talked to vis a vis to cows blood, so don't feel
- lonely. Talk to you later.
-
- *%*% Now back to the GOODHEALTH Sig *%*%
-
- #: 55675 S1/General Discussion
- 02-Feb-88 21:24:58
- Sb: #55579-#A strange question
- Fm: Ted 76067,3777
- To: Dana Schmidt [Staff] 70137,452 (X)
-
- Too bad Dana, they were both very good sessions.
- The reason for all of these questions about cow blood is that I am currently
- acting as a Temporary SysOp for the Paranormal section of the ISSUES forum.
- In that forum we have had an individual whom put forth a hypothesis regarding
- the whole abduction senario. (You can find it by downloading LEAR.TXT from
- DL 10 of that Sig) I am going to now list a portion of the latest messsage
- from that board. are you ready for this??? Here goes:
-
- *****************************************************************************
-
- "Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from
- the
- cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the
- red blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then
- used by humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful,
- and each cow supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood. Hemoglobin can be
- used from some mammals but not all mammals. The hemoglobin of primates can
- be used just as well as cows', its just more expensive to process. The
- purity of the hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks
- and embolisms. The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these. Although
- some of us less
- medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not
- correct. I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my
- hypohtesis. This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech
- University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John."
-
- ******************************************************************************
-
- Well that was it. Can you comment?
- Regards, Ted
-
- #: 55680 S1/General Discussion
- 02-Feb-88 22:10:37
- Sb: #55675-A strange question
- Fm: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
- To: Ted 76067,3777
-
- Ted,
-
- It seems to me that in the process of purifying the hemoglobin the structure
- would be undone and make it of little use. Hemoglobin works because it is a
- functional part of the red blood cells.....people are given red blood cell
- fractions not hemoglobin fractions. Has this Fiola`s work been published
- anywhere? I kind of doubt it.
-
- June
-
- *** Reading Replies to 55758
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- *%*% Back again to the ISSUES (sub PARANORMAL section)
-
-
- #: 133280 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 02-Feb-88 17:33:07
- Sb: #Cows blood
- Fm: John LEar 71251,642
- To: Ted Markley
-
- Ted, in order to clarify the cow blood statement: It is the hemoglobin from
- the
- cows that can be used by humans. The cows hemoglobin is extracted from the red
- blood cells, purified, stabilized, mixed in a saline solution and then used by
- humans. The advantage in using cows is that they are so plentiful, and each
- cow
- supplies between 20 and 30 liters of blood. Hemoglobin can be used from some
- mammals but not all mammals. The hemoglobin of primates can be used just as
- well as cows', its just more expensive to process. The purity of the
- hemoglobin is what affects the chance of cloting, heart attacks and embolisms.
-
- The purer the hemoglobin the less chance of these. Although some of us less
- medically informed (me) use blood and hemoglobin interchangeably this is not
- correct. I will be changing the word blood to read hemoglobin on my
- hypohtesis. This research was done by Dr. Mario Fiola at the Texas Tech
- University in Lubbock, Texas. Talk to you Later. Regards, John.
-
- *** There is a reply: 133292
-
- #: 133292 S10/Paranormal Issues
- 02-Feb-88 20:23:55
- Sb: #133280-Cows blood
- Fm: Ted Markley 76067,3777
- To: John LEar 71251,642
-
- Thanks John, I will see what I can do to get more info on the
- subject. Hang in there. It's tough going up against the
- experienced UFOlogist. They get so many crack pot claims that
- turn out to be hoaxes and dillusions that they become almost
- as skeptical as the Phil Klasses of the world (yet I hope just
- a bit more open minded.) When someone stands up to put forth
- a hypothosis such as your with such dramatic claims one is bound
- to draw fire. They best defense is to have solid facts or at least
- a good defensible position. Lets get some others to check out
- your ideas and see if it can easily be refuted. (Don't give up!)
- Regards, Ted
-
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- *%*% And finally to the GOODHEALTH Sig *%*%
-
- #: 55750 S1/General Discussion
- 03-Feb-88 18:02:28
- Sb: #55680-A strange question
- Fm: Ted 76067,3777
- To: June Brazil (Asst Sysop) 70007,3217
-
- I am going to call the university and check on the works of Fiola. Thanks.
- Ted
-
- *** Reading Replies to 55680
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- #: 55758 S1/General Discussion
- 03-Feb-88 19:09:38
- Sb: #55675-A strange question
- Fm: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55
- To: Ted 76067,3777
-
- I think it is wrong to leave any scintilla of the impression that cattle
- hemoglobin can be used within the circulation of humans. Indeed, even human
- hemoglobin, when liberated from the red blood cells by hemolysis is a very
- dangerous material. A much-feared outcome of transfusions and extracorporeal
- circulation - even with the patient's own blood - is hemolysis leading to
- liberation of hemoglobin into the plasma leading to renal shutdown leading to
- death. There are some highly experimental studies relating to "packaging"
- hemoglobin in synthetic membranes, but these are far from being clinically
- acceptable.
-
-
- #: 55842 S1/General Discussion
- 04-Feb-88 18:37:13
- Sb: #55758-A strange question
- Fm: Ted 76067,3777
- To: Steven Dubin,VMD [Staff] 76074,55
-
- Thanks for clarifying a very confusing subject. Ted
-
-
- *%*% If I find out anything after contacting Fiola I will add it at that
- time.
-
- File: COWSBL.THD 11261-T
- 31-MAR-88 (L)
- Dir: 3 Sec: 1 - UFOlogy
- From: Sysop
- Acc: 7
-
- CIS: Info on Cows Blood<>UFO Connection
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